Joining the brotherhood
Posted on August 14, 2012
Just in case you missed it, Elly Tams, aka Quiet Riot Girl, aka one of the very few people to have ever earned the dubious honour of being blocked from commenting here, has a piece up at the MRA site ‘A Voice for Men’ entitled “Leaving the Sisterhood.” And sorry but no, I’m not going to and never will link to that site, so if you want to read the piece you’ll have to let google be your friend.
In the piece QRG uses up an awful lot of words to explain to the virulent misogynists who frequent the cesspit of hate that is A Voice for Men why she’s no longer a feminist – although evidence that she ever was a feminist is scant to say the least.
And look, I even get a mention in the piece:
“The list of well-known feminists who spend a good deal of their time and energy demonizing and putting down men is long. We all have our “favourites” – Amanda Marcotte, Melissa McEwan, Cath Elliott, Jill Filipovic and Gail Dines spring to mind. But I have found myself identifying the UK Guardian journalist Suzanne Moore as particularly guilty of misandry.”
I have to say though, if I managed to put only half the time and energy into ‘demonizing [sic] and putting down men’ – or fighting the good fight as I prefer to call it – as QRG puts into explaining to the world why and how she hates feminism so much, the patriarchy would have been dead in a ditch a long long time ago.
It’s the comments underneath the piece that I want to focus on though. Specifically this comment, from someone who calls himself Jean Valjean.
Here it is in all it’s glory:
“I wonder. . . If I were an Israeli who happened on a German who used to run the ovens at Auschwitz and he told me that he no longer hates Jews; how do you think I would react?
Congratulations. You’ve have an advanced degree in hatred that you now repudiate.
Here’s your cookie.”
Wow. Just wow.
Still, I’m sure Elly, Paul Elam and the rest of the brotherhood will rub along fine together now, despite that slight, erm, hiccup.
Having followed and written about the FR/MR movement for many years, one thing is clear. No matter how loyal and asskissing their female followers are, the dudes eventually turn on them anyway. Have seen it again and again.
silverside – exactly. Women can cosy up to the MRA as much as they like, but these are men who believe women are inferior, are not equal, and so no matter what you do or say, you\’ll still be a woman, and you\’ll still be seen as inferior.
And still fuming that she had to bring my book into it!
although evidence that she ever was a feminist is scant to say the least
Indeed. And what silverside said – once she has served her usefulness to the MREs (‘extremists’ not ‘activists’), they will turn on her quicker than you can say “Elam is a misogynist”.
Handmaidening has a very limited lifespan.
Although it’s Elly/QRG’s own business whether she leaves the sisterhood or not and where she goes, I can’t help wondering why it’s taking so long, seems to have been going on for a few years now.
Anyway I for one am glad you’ve found a place you’re happy and hope you won’t feel compelled to leave it at length, because it must get quite tiring I think, all these prolonged farewells.
It’s fascinating to watch. The MR/FR “ladies” get the same threats of rape and/or general violence that feminists get. Some of these ladies eventually “get it,” and quietly drop out of the movement.
I see you found my post on Avoiceformen and typical of feminists you didn’t bother to tell the whole story.
That post was hidden due to the negative voting on it and it kicked off a firestorm of angry posts from others.
Nonetheless, I stand by what I said. It was a valid sentiment. I don’t trust women and I especially don’t trust feminists. Someone who has an advanced degree in feminism deserves my trust the least.
And yes, someone who ran the ovens at Auschwitz should never be forgiven and in our world these people continued to be hunted long after they escaped and started new lives. It seems only fair that I should treat former feminists with distrust and dislike even though they pretend to be on my side.
sianushka –What makes women inferior is not their gender.
It’s their lack of accountability.
If you can’t be blamed for reproductive incompetence or for marrying violent men then how can you be credited when you run a corporation or win public office?
The same psychological mechanism (deference) that allows people to overlook the transgressions of women also requires that we discount your achievements.
When women start being accountable in all things then that will create a culture where women are truly respected for their achievements.