As I said in last week’s post – Women speak out about online abuse – I’ve been really pleased to see how Helen Lewis Hasteley’s New Statesman piece and others have helped kick start a pretty wide ranging debate about the misogynist abuse a lot of women are being subjected to when they write online.
However, a few days ago I started to have a bit of a panic about it all as well. Not an “Omg why on earth did I stick my head above the parapet again, now I’m going to get all kinds of shit from the haters” kind of panic though, but a panic about the potential impact these revelations could be having on women who might be thinking about blogging or going into online journalism. Because the last thing I would ever want to do is to put anyone off writing. In fact I’d be pretty devastated if someone told me they’d been planning to set up a blog but had then read my Occupational Hazard article and decided the whole blogging thing wasn’t worth the hassle or the risk.
Because it is. Or at least I think it is, and that’s why I continue to write and blog despite the crap that (sometimes) comes with it.
I noticed a pingback on last week’s thread from the blog A Mother Knows, where in a piece entitled To blog or not to blog? That is the question the author questions whether she really wants to carry on blogging. She has several reasons for this, but part of it is that she’s been reading about all the misogynist abuse. The author says:
“As a journalist I and my female colleagues are all too aware of the perils of writing on anything personal for certain publications, in particular Comment is Free, and the Daily Mail, because of the vicious comments made there; not so much about the content of the author’s piece, but about their appearance and personal life. I think most of the female freelance journalists I know (including me) avoid pitching to these and other similar outlets because we are too scared. Even when it comes to blogs, many (including mine) are technically anonymous (even though with mine, I am not sure if it will stay that way – certainly many of the people reading it know who I am).”
Thankfully she concludes that she does want to carry on, saying:
“The pressures are powerful but I refuse to be intimidated into not expressing myself. If enough of the quiet vast majority of good people continue to write and be read and love and support one another, hopefully the shouts of the mean, cruel few will start to fade.”
But reading that piece did make me wonder again whether women (quite rightly) speaking out in the way we have been might be having some unintended consequences.
So, to reassure anyone who might be having second thoughts about blogging, and to answer all those tossers who have responded to the current discussion with “Well if you don’t like it why don’t you just get off the Net then!” I’d like to state for the record that, speaking from personal experience anyway, while the abuse I’ve received in the past has been heinous, it is far far outweighed by the more positive aspects of ‘blogging while feminist’: by the encouraging comments I’ve had, the supportive emails I’ve received, and by a gazillion other things that have made writing online an overwhelmingly enjoyable experience.
I think there’s an interesting discussion to be had about how hateful comments have a disproportionate impact on the recipient of them in relation to their relatively small number. In fact I remember being told once that for every mean thing someone says about you you need to hear something like 30 nice things about you to repair the damage done to your self-esteem (I could be making that last number up entirely by the way, so don’t quote me on it, I just remember the last number was a lot higher than the first one) so maybe that’s got something to do with it. What I do know is that I receive waaaaay more positive comments than I do horrible ones, and that’s one of the reasons I keep doing what I’m doing.
But even if that wasn’t the case, I’d still carry on writing. Not because I’m some arrogant fucker who thinks the world needs to hear my very important opinions, but quite simply because I bloody love writing: I always have done and I always will do, and no one will ever be able to take that away from me.
Another thing that keeps me going of course is the amazing community out there, or should I say the amazing communities. I know some people like to scoff at any suggestion that you can have a sense of community on the Internet, but trust me you can. Especially if you’re a woman, or a feminist, and more especially still if you’re a woman and a feminist. I’m not saying men don’t have the same sense of online community incidentally, not being a man I don’t know if they do or they don’t, and I can’t presume to speak for them.
In summary then, what I’m basically trying to say is that there are myriad reasons for my continuing to write, and that actually while the abuse I’ve received as a woman who blogs has had an impact on me, and is something I feel needs to be talked about and exposed, it is not what dominates my experience as a blogger. So please, if you’re having second thoughts about setting up a blog, or if you’re a blogger who’s thinking of packing it in because you’re worried about some of the stuff you’ve been reading lately, don’t let the current very important debate about online abuse and misogyny put you off. If you feel up to it, keep on keepin’ on. It’s genuinely not all bad. In fact most of the time, the vast majority of the time in fact, it’s not bad at all.
Thank you for posting this. It’s lovely to know that the vast majority of comments and reactions are positive and kind.
I have been noticing the online misogyny / general hatred thing for years, and I know many other journalists and writers who have, too – it’s just the recent stuff in the news that’s made me more confident in my feeling that it is so wrong.
It’s pretty much a given that many female journalists won’t write on personal things for CIF or the Mail because of the personal comments. I can think of more than female writer who has written a piece for either outlet and was attacked by commentators for being ‘fat’ or ‘ugly’. And what led me to your blog post was a CIF piece on disability by a journalist I know which attracted a lot of nasty comments, in which she mentioned the current misogyny debate.
I just want to reassure you, in return, that people who are bringing this issue to light are not responsible for the disgust most people feel at this bullying comments culture. It’s got to be brought to light and I, for one, am really glad you are doing so, and hope my post contributes to raising awareness too. Bloggers will keep on blogging.
The fact that many female journalists choose not to write for CIF or the Mail, though, is a slightly different issue, and I guess one that the Guardian and Mail may need to address.
just as an FYI, since i stopped approving (and even reading) abusive and even obviously-male comments, theyve stopped coming in. same thing happened at HUB: same modding policy, same result.
there may be an asshattery-curve where they think they can get you to commit blogicide in the beginning if they harass you enough. to not engage with them at all seems to make the curve plummet thereafter. perhaps engaging with them causes the curve to plateau and it stays there? this seems to be the case. you might want to consider that if the publication you are writing for requires you to publish comments from men, they are setting you up, and its deliberate.
There’s nothing wrong with being an arrogant fucker who thinks the world needs to hear your very important opinions. 🙂
btw, FCM, I’m interested in the notion of “obviously-male comments”. How do you spot them (leaving aside male user names, references to rugby, the amusingness of Jeremy Clarkson, one’s own testicles, etc)? Can you give us examples? And is there a female equivalent?
Yeh I agree with FCM, if you have to publish men, you’re being set up used, because men are most likely to make sexual reference abuse comments. And that’s titillating to other men, and you get more readers.
I found one today on a vid site I’ve seen before, but hadn’t looked at comments. Gwen Olson is a former drug rep turned whistleblower. Now why would someone with this addy or the pretense of it, hit at her? To shut her up, because her truths are affecting his bottom dollar, would be my guess. And how does he try to silence her? Rape threats. Men DO know rape is violence.
**Gwen Olson talks about her 15 yrs as a drug rep selling antidepressants and antipsychotics:
“Manipulating Doctors”
http://www.youtube(DOT)com/watch?v=kOW8LNU2hFE
the addy of one of Gwen Olson’s spammers:
@Deathrape2001
well said Cath!
Was really sad to read that women journos were saying they turned down work because they knew they had to deal with BTL nonsense. Misogyny aside, it’s pretty disgusting that the hate is so pervasive that women are losing income! I know for myself that there are some sites i don’t want to write for any more because it isn’t worth the pain!
But like you, i will not stop blogging and writing because i love it, and because no one will silence me.
And like you, i have found such a wonderful online community of women and feminist women (and men) online, in blogs and twitter, who are supportive, positive and political. Like you!
Which is why it is so important to speak out and not let online misogyny drown out the great work we do.
The same happens off line too of course…at BFN we’ve had some criticism lately and i literally have to list in my head everything we have achieved to stop the one negative comment erase the 30 positive comments.
But we have to keep going, because if we don’t, then patriarchy has won…
cath the gluten-free blogger’s story from your links roundup was so compelling, and it was so sad that she kept wondering “how can PEOPLE be so cruel to EACH OTHER” without making the connection that its exclusively or almost exclusively MEN doing this to WOMEN. im glad some people are starting to call this what it is: misogyny, and men making rape threats against, harassing and stalking women, even criminally in some cases.
BTW if anyone wants my modding advice, here it is. comments that do not 1) evince reading comprehension and 2) add something to the discussion get trashed. viola! as most men are literally incapable of doing either one, and certainly incapable of doing both at the same time, you will be male-free in short order without ever even having to declare a male-free zone. and the quality of your discussions will skyrocket.
This is a good overview, and very worthwhile to see the pattern of men trying to silence women online with vile hatred, rape threats etc. It puts the spotlight squarely on male intimidation of women, and their pathetically low level of feminist intelligence.
I agree with FCM that it’s rather worthless having discussions with men around feminism and the freedom of women. But what happens when a space becomes male free, when the stupid comments are just trashed, women create a very valuable online community to talk about serious feminism, and build on critical feminist thinking. Men haven’t done the homework, and they would lose a lot in an “equal” world, so they’re going to hate women who express true unfiltered feminism with a vengence. As Mary Daly famously said, she’s interested in women’s abilities and capacities, not men’s, and claimed she never thought of men much at all.
Just think of real life, where women are silenced by men, yelled over, bullied etc. Online women’s voices are powerful, we are free to really go after the woman haters, and men, shocked to see women with truly freedom of speech hate this! Men are not accustomed to reading unfiltered feminism from the streets so to speak, in fact, most men know nothing of radical feminism and what freedom of women really looks like. They take for granted their control of malestream media, and the blogs provide a much needed way for women to control the discussion and have the power to push eject anytime a man gets out of line. Now that is power!!! Love it!!!
And you’ll notice we don’t threaten to kill, rape or castrate men just because they back male supremacy, that’s what men to to women who even dare to speak up. Men threaten to kill women with free speech, they don’t threated to kill or rape each other. To know this, points the finger at patriarchy, and this male attack on women’s blogs.
Another thing that occured to me… sure as a woman blogging it is easy to get freaked out by male hate speech coming right at you… rape threats, name calling… temper tantrums of failed men who hate it when women gain self-respect and create politically powerful spaces for other women.
I find the key, is truly your headline Cath– keep on keeping on. What fuels me is the great dynamic experiment of women in serious dialogue with one another about our liberation from all male oppression… what tactics free us of this, what can we share with each other that exposes the lies of patriarchy.
And how do we combat this and thrive. I personally have written men off as a class, and I want to know how women are thriving and keeping on… when I know I can talk to my sisters, I am free. When I know men are 100% not about my freedom, and that what works is to focus again on the delight of women, that takes away all the power from men, they cease to exist because their ideas are always dead ends. Men can’t free women, but they can get out of our way, they can attack all they want, but it just reveals that they are failing. And courage in women is what men fear, perhaps they fear we’ll do to them what they’ve done to us, and in that fear the het men bash the gay men for fear that gay men will rape het men, or they fear women will walk out of patriarchy, and they’ll have nothing. So keep on keeping on, because I know my mind is sharper, I’m able to combat patriarchy more effectively, and the secrets of the womanhating club are revealed, so men have less of a chance of fooling me with their lies, I know who they really are… they tell us online..the jig is up boys.