There are a lot of things I could say (and none of them good) about today’s piece in the Mail: The shocking story of how a church group girl cried rape and what it tells us about Britain (doesn’t link directly to the Mail so don’t panic!), but being as almost everyone who reads this blog can probably guess what I think about the prosecution of a 15 year old “rape liar”, I’m just going to focus on one small part of the article:
“Casual sex among young teenagers would seem to be endemic. Take this recent conversation on Facebook between two of Lucy’s friends; a boy and a girl aged 15. The boy begins by asking her what ‘sexual stuff’ she will do for him. Her replies are too graphic to repeat here.
She then asks the boy if he wants sex with her. ‘Wen,’ [when] he inquires. ‘Whenever you want,’ she tells him. ‘So is that a yak [yes],’ he asks, adding that the following Friday could be a possible date for their encounter. ‘Yeah,’ is her emphatic answer.
Or this admission from another female friend. ‘Had a great weekend with . . . except for herpes, that s*** stays with you.’
The girl ‘with herpes’ is 15. Her father, according to one woman who knows the family, would be ‘horrified if he knew’. The girl is also a member of the youth club.”
See, now the problem with so-called journalists trawling through teenagers’ Facebook pages is that sometimes they just don’t understand the references being made. Like that bit about herpes for instance – it’s a movie quote ffs!
It comes from the 2009 film The Hangover, starring Bradley Cooper and a bunch of other people I’ve never heard of. The actual quote is:
“Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit’ll come back with you”
You can listen to it here
And it’s such a well known/oft used quote, it’s even made it into Urban Dictionary.
Yeah ok, so the young woman misquoted it slightly, but I don’t think that’s really grounds for her dad being “horrified if he knew“, do you?
Too Much To Say For Myself 
urgh. The Daily Male. Claiming the ‘shock horrors, 15yo’s having sex 11!!11’. 15yo’s were having sex back in the 70s, and probably earlier, nothing terribly new about that. What the teens need drilled into them is to use a condom. No one is going to stop them having sex.
The REAL story, which The Male fails to recognise, is that a (now 16yo) girl has been charged with Perverting The Course Of Justice (PTCOJ), because the accused was found ‘not guilty’ of rape – the rape victims are just as likely to be charged with PTCOJ. Considering rape convictions are still at an all time low (c.5-6%), that leaves a LOT of rape victims potentially open to being charged with PTCOJ.
From The Mail (given as ‘the reason’ she was a ‘lying whore’):
Well, for one thing, it was not the first time she had falsely accused a boy of rape, of which more later.
So beware women and girls, you ONLY have one (almost) free pass if you accuse some dude of raping you. The concept of a girl/woman being raped more than once in her lifetime apparently is not a viable concept in The Male’s view.
Within days of crying rape, in fact, Lucy had acquired a new boyfriend
And frankly, I would see that as a sign that she genuinely felt he raped her, used her, whatever. The fact she is/was sexually active, or possibly so, would actually strengthen the case of knowing it was rape, not weaken it. Note the Male’s language of “crying rape”.
There were also two other youngsters in the bedroom, remember, when Lucy and David had sex. Neither of them corroborated her account.
Which actually proves absolutely NOTHING. Many teen girls can get raped with other teens near by, and the girl is often frightened not to put up any struggle lest she be called prudish, or worse still, effect a situation whereby other teen males ‘join in’.
And whatever teens say on their facebooks cannot be taken as any kind of truth. Teens are renown for bullshitting about things, particularly about sexual activity. Circumstantial evidence and nothing more.
More holes that granny’s crocheted duvet cover.
Another pseudo moralistic article posing as ‘objective reporting’ and the Daily Male’s aim as always is to warn women and girls that if they so much as dare to report a male/males has/have raped them, then they not the male rapist(s) will be prosecuted for making a false rape allegation.
Daily Male fails to acknowledge the Crown Prosecution Service prosecuted the teen boy for rape and this case proceeded to court. Boy was acquitted by court but that does not mean rape did not happen, just that case was found to be ‘not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.’ So, are we going to have innumerable cases of prosecution witnesses charged with perverting course of justice because they reported to police a male stole their car/burgled their house/assaulted them?
As Cath has proven and FAB LIBBER reinforces – Daily Male is not concerned about the facts only about promoting misogynistic lies concerning teenage girls because apparently all teenage girls are nymphomaniacs who spend all their time targetting innocent boys and then charging them with rape!
Given 94% males charged with rape continue to be acquitted and every year males subject at least 80,000 females to sexual violence that is far more important than Daily Male demonising a teenage girl – but then Daily Male is an powerful organ of the male supremacist system and constantly proclaims the male sexual double standard.
What teen boys and adult men need to recognise but will not accept is that ‘sex’ is not something they can take from women and girls, because that is rape but given males continue to be socialised into believing it is their innate right to have sexual access to any female I do not foresee any change in the foreseeable future. Women are as far as ever from being accorded sexual autonomy and ownership of their bodies. The Sexual Offences Act 2003 itself does not recognise women’s ownership of their bodies. Remember women and girls are always in a constant state of ‘consent’ unless the woman/girl can provide evidence by three male strangers who witnessed the woman’s/girl’s rape and can corroborate her evidence. I am, of course, being sarcastic concerning objective witnesses but I am stating truth that women and girls are presumed by the law to be in a 24/7 constant state of consent to any male penetrating their bodies.
of course not – but Daily Male isn’t concerned with that – instead it is determined to warn all female readers that the penalty for reporting male violence committed against them is to be prosecuted, convicted and then imprisoned – because men always tell the truth, whereas women and girls are all innate liars!
how is it legal to print peoples’ facebook conversations without asking permission?
i know its public but surely there has to be something about protection of minors or some such stuff?
surely they learnt after the scottish express dunblane scandal
let alone the utter wtf-ery of the article itself.
You can tell it’s all invented.
It’s in the line “Her replies are too graphic to repeat here.”.
If ‘she’ had ever made any reply, especially a sexually graphic one The Fail would have repeated it verbatim.
I was going to say, ‘I couldn’t quite believe that – ‘ but it’s the Mail, so I can all too easily believe that they felt they had to illustrate this story with a staged photograph (“posed by actors”) to show a teenage boy in the process of being lured upstairs by a mini-skirted young harlot. Really, what possible justification is there for this image? If I was being generous I would say it was unnecessary; prurient and creepy is more like it.
So the feminists are still defending false accusers even when there are witnesses in the room to refute all her claims. Can’t get much lower than that, feminists have now officially moved from the “guilty until proven innocent” to the new “guilty by way of gender and regardless of the facts”.
Don’t know why people call the newspaper the “Daily Male” either, talk about turning reality on it’s head. If you lived in the real world you’d know they have more female readers than any other paper and so you couldn’t have picked less appropriate paper for such a title if you tried.
Admittedly perhaps those women are sensible enough not to be part of the extreme gender feminist cult everyone here is a part of, but that certainly doesn’t make them any less female.
haha thats funny stuff
extreme gender feminist cult? that’s a new one!
Erm, I agree with you on a lot of points, especially the kind of ‘reporting’ the Daily Mail specialises in (especially their moralistic bull over how many people 16 year olds have slept with, smoking, make-up etc and trawling through Facebook pages), but to be accused of rape is pretty serious if one is innocent.
I have to disagree with comments like ‘as almost everyone who reads this blog can probably guess what I think about the prosecution of a 15 year old “rape liar”’
If the boy turns out to be innocent, or the girl guilty of false accusation, it has to enforced how serious it is to make that false claim about someone, no?
if the daily mail fairly reported rape, then maybe it wouldn’t be as problematic. but they regularly report real accusations of rape as false, even when the accuser has not been found guilty of any offence, and they always start with the assumption that the woman is lying, unless the rape fits their idea of real rape, ie stranger in an alleyway. so when a paper that treats women and rape with such disrespect
Nothing really qualifies as rape for you dudes, does it?
Just because a rapist is found ‘not guilty’ in court, does not mean he didn’t rape. Only 5-6% of reported rapes end in conviction.
So, either you get with the programme and REALISE that rape convictions for rapists are a minority event, and that most rapists get away with it – or crawl back into your hole.
When you stop to think that false reports for rape are no higher for any other crime, and that the victim has to go through every sordid detail and relive the horror, and quite often HER sexual history is put on trial (even though it is not supposed to). Geez, do you really really think that 95% of women who report rape are just making it up for a laugh?
Get a clue stick.
Or, put your talents into writing for The Daily Mail.
They could use ‘dirty lying whore’ thinking mindset – and they are hiring!!!
https://toomuchtosayformyself.com/2011/02/08/i-can-do-that/
Oops! Pressed send too early! …it is understandable why we take dm assertions of false accusations with a pinch of salt.
100,000 women are raped each year, according to recent home office stats. The conviction rate is around 6%. The false accusation rate is around the average for any other crime, around 5-8% and lower than false accusations of benefit fraud. But if you read the dm, you would leave with the impression that 94% of accusations are false. Also, the way the dm phrases it is pretty shitty.
Sorry again, but when I wrote “real rape” I meant it as a dm phrase, rape is rape is rape, just in case anyone was worried!
Colin, as others have said the issue is with the disproportionate coverage the Male gives to stories about so-called “rape liars”, which helps feed the myth that most women who report rape and other sexual offences perpetrated against them are lying.
Stories like this are like manna from heaven to the Mail. Look at how much copy they got out of this, and then find a story on the site (if you can) about a “real rape” and compare and contrast the amount of coverage they gave that.
Having said that, I do agree that it’s pretty heinous to make a false allegation of rape. However, the young woman was 15 years old – if it was a false allegation I’d much prefer if the authorities concentrated on finding out what on earth was going on in her life to make her want to do that. I just don’t see that anything can be gained from prosecuting her.
In fact a lot is lost by prosecuting such cases, as it helps put yet more women off from reporting rape and other sexual assaults.
I think any disproportionate coverage of rape liars is a direct consequence of the unfair laws regarding anonymity for those accused of rape and the lenient (and often no existent) sentencing giving to false accusers, not to mention the devastating impact the accusations have on victims. Ant decent media organisation is always going to focus on the most unfair aspects of our society and any huge injustices that can so easily be fixed, that’s just the media actually doing it’s job for once and is to be commended 100%.
If we had a more equal system where more was done to support and protect vicitms of false rapes and better efforts were made by the to clear the names of victim of false rape there wouldn’t be any need for so much coverage of the issue.
(perhaps the Mail would continue to cover it whatever the circumstances, but we’ll only ever find out if we get justice and a fair system in this area).
and the lenient (and often no existent) sentencing giving to false accusers, not to mention the devastating impact the accusations have on victims.
Well, there have been at least three or four women convicted of Perverting the Course of Justice in the last few years, resulting from rape allegations. And one of those was a domestic violence victim, separated from the husband, pressured by him and his family to drop the charges. *nice*
I guess that is the sort of justice you want to see?
And I like (not!) the way you use ‘victim’ above, the poor menz all accused of rape!!!111!!!! Gimme a break.
If you men want to be safe, 100% safe, from “false accusations of rape”, then stop sticking your dick into females at every opportunity. Stop plying them with drink, or drugs, and sticking your dick into them. Stop coercing them for sex, stop nagging them for sex. Stop sulking/guilting them into sex.
If you keep *it* in your damn pants, the chances of a false accusation of rape is about zero.
I hate to be pedantic, but there’s no such thing as a false rape. You can have a false rape accusation, or an alleged rape, but not a false rape ffs.
Actually fuck it, no I don’t hate to be pedantic. Words matter: I’m a pedant and proud of it.
The way these dudes talk, you would think that dudes are more likely to be falsely accused of rape than run over by a bus.
Picture it. Women are lining the streets, both sides, just to accuse Poor Innocent Menz(TM) of rape!
Just for the thrill of a gynae exam, numerous witness statements, having their lifestyles scruitinised in court. What joy!
“If you keep *it* in your damn pants, the chances of a false accusation of rape is about zero.”
I believe that’s what’s called victim blaming, you’re pretending that the victim of the crime is to blame for the disgusting false accusation of rape. Your saying dont’ have a sex life and then you’ll be just fine. It’s sick when people do this to rape vicitms and equally sick to do it to victims of false rape allegations (and yes Cath was right for correcting me there).
Also plenty of false rape allegations involve no sexual activity taking place whatsoever (been quite a few cases of false rape allegations against taxi drivers to avoid paying the fare for example). Therefore your suggestion is not only very offensive but also completely false too.
And how dare you suggest that those false accused of rape are not victims. It’s a disgraceful crime with incredibly severe consequences in many cases.
In your book, 99.999% of menz are totally innocent, and are falsely accused. False accusations are rife!
Dust off your pom-poms and go stand outside Assange’s extradition hearing.
And GTFO the internet. I am sick to death of the poor innocent menz song.
If media orgs cared about justice Stephen, then they would be a damn sight better at reporting rape and fighting rape myths. They care about their agenda, not much else.